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"A simple no would suffice. There is nothing practical we can do to prove the earth is a spinning ball. And all a person would have to do to prove that water is flat is measure a body of it."
What measure meant.
"This is what they tell you. The Michelson Morley experiment used an inferometer to determine if the earth was moving relative to the æther, which was by then a proven fact(the æther). This is why Einstein said, when referring to the experiment:"
Many experiments have been done to prove aether does not exist.
"Atmospheric refraction.
@nope"
Why did you call me?
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@Erfisflat
What force suspends the sun and moon?
What force propels them in a circle around the earth, alters the circumference of their rotation and speeds it up / slows it down during seasonal changes?
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Wait a minute...
NASA, an entity with the intelligence and resources to execute the biggest conspiracy in the history of the planet made a HUGE mistake, business-wise. Odd that such a smart organization would ignore this:
Their goal is to make money, right? But, in 2011, their budget was only 18.4 billion.
But why aim so low with the secrets they know?
The average cost of electricity is 12 cents per kilowatt hour.
The sun produces 3.86x10 to the 26th power watts of electricity at any given moment.
The sun is only Ø32 miles. That's a surface area of only ~40385 square miles.
And it's only 3000 miles away. Meaning a Dyson sphere is completely feasible.
Why has no one monopolized solar energy???
::EDIT::
Just did some (probably bad) math.
The sun could be mined for 27.792x10 to the 23rd power dollars per hour.
Has anyone informed Trump that he can literally become emperor of the universe thanks to NASA secrets?
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" Airy's experiment. Maybe thous who think that is evidence don't know how fast light is."
@nope?
You are arguing how light can be slowed when travelling through a different medium. The telescope was filled with a light-slowing material. Water.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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The Copernican principle is far more important, and I'm not entirely sure what the sun is.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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What is there to prove? All you said was that water is more dense than the air. You don't have to prove this is commonly agreed upon. What is disputed is that you think that for whatever reason, (your model dictates it) water in a gaseous state will bend light in the opposite direction than it does in it's liquid state. You cannot demonstrate this claim. It is unfalsifiable and pseudoscientific. I rest my case.
@nope
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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If you're still with us and would like to debate, please repost you concerns so I know ur here.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Can you elaborate on this?
You do know, at least, that sun light can be utilized to create usable energy. We know how much energy is created by the sun. Flat earth theory states that this much energy is being created by a MUCH smaller and closer object.
A Dyson sphere is a hypothetical machine that essentially surround the sun with solar panels collecting 100% of its energy.
Obviously impossible, for now, if the sun is as big as round-earth lies will have you believe, but in flat-earth cosmology, the sun is a LOT smaller. It would be feasible to create a Dyson sphere or swarm around it.
Flat earth theory states that people who know this and have the resources to accomplish this, have decided not to.
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@Edril
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Edit: I don't have high speed data and I don't think that was the actual movie.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Ok, lets forget the Dyson sphere. No one here has measured the size, distance and make-up of the sun.
I've heard you say several times that people use arguments from authority, and it's basically the flat earth motto not to trust what other people say, yet every answer to questions is either "i don't know", " i haven't researched that" or "look at this video/website/book from the 1800s".
So arguments from authority are either acceptable or not. It can't be acceptable from authorities that accept a flat earth, but not from authorities that don't.
But that's not how a society can operate. You have to be able to judge which authorities to trust, and only challenge the ones to which you are also an expert and can present evidence that they're wrong.
I assume you had lunch today, and i assume you didn't perform the necessary tests to confirm that it wasn't poisoned. You accepted an argument from authority that the food was not poisoned based on some type of probability.
So continuing this conversation can we appeal to research conducted by others or not?
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The key difference is verifiability. I may be more inclined to believe something hundreds of thousands of people have witnessed, like the Chicago skyline being visible from across lake Michigan, over the claim that 12 new "earth-like" planets being discovered. We can all go out and measure a large body of water. We can all test for motion. These are main tenants of the model i disagree with for those very reasons. I've found the lack of curvature and motion, I don't have to take anyone's word for the earth being flat and motionless. Concerns about a geocentric model are a secondary concern of mine because they do not directly impact the resolution.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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If you're talking about nasa, I could give you several reasons why I don't trust them. Here's one off the top of my head.
http://thecoincidencetheorist.com/space/finding-sex-on-nasas-epic-earth-image-once-you-see-it-you-wont-unsee-it/
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Govern=control
Ment=mind
Get it?
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i don't believe there any photos of the ball earth because it isnt a ball, but yes it was the one from the link above. What's wrong, the school won't let you see it?
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Ok, the acceptance criteria is verifiability. So we agree that stating "hundreds of thousands of people have witnessed" something is not to be construed with providing evidence, right?
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Probably best to mute him or ignore anything irrelevant, inflammatory comments will be deleted. @namemcname if you have something useful to add to the conversation, please do so. Please don't troll.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Yes. It isn't "crazy" Photoshop software. It's just Photoshop. Here, let Robert simmons explain how he did it.
Are you familiar with Photoshop at all?
@averypro
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Except the earth is supposedly at a 23.4° tilt. So it will not hit the equator directly all year long. Yet all years long, the equator remains the warmest part of earth.
@nope since you've cowered from this debate and are in formals so that I can't respond, I'll start with the refutations and post them here.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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68 instances of governments lying to us.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ever-growing-list-of-admitted-false-flag-attacks/5578473
You were saying?
" I mean they keep a lot of things secret but how long has NASA been around,
About 60 years.
"or let alone the earth. "
A few thousand years. What does this prove? Make your point.
"There is no humanly possible way that all of these representatives of the government could keep this secret cooped up inside forever. "
You're right. I'm helping to end it as we speak.
We know, we know, we know….flat earth is just crazy. It’s normal for you to immediate reject and dismiss this notion. We had the same reaction. Everyone does. After all, we’ve all seen the images of Earth from Space, and we have all been exposed to the Heliocentric Model since we were all kids. We take this “reality” for granted. Anyone who says otherwise has got to be a kook, a loon, a nut job. But answer me this: how do you know it’s a globe? What proof do you have? Have you ever seen the entire globe, personally? We’ve already seen here that the government has a long history of lies and deception.
In fact, we set out to prove that the globe existed. We’ve spent many, many hours, with increasing disbelief, trying to prove that we live on a ball. We don’t.
So, what about eclipses, the fact that everyone “knows” someone who has circumnavigated the globe, the seasons, the path of the sun in our skies, or the path of the moon in the night sky? The fact is that, while there are missing pieces to this puzzle, researchers are quickly coming to terms how the system works. We encourage you to research for yourself. Not just naysay here. If you are satisfied with an image of earth as proof positive you live on a spinning ball, move along. This is for believers in the scientific method.
@averyapro
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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“Today’s scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.” ~Nikola Tesla
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Would you be willing to bet me then that the Earth is actually flat? Say maybe for a cool $10,000?
If however you are unwilling to take me up on this bet I understand. One possible explanation for this could be because you don't actually believe in what you are saying, or have very low trust in your own conclusion.
We can conclude then that *you* -Erfisflat- might not conclude that the Earth is actually flat or I will make $10,000 :P
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In others words, prove to us that you believe that the Earth is flat.
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Fact is a fact!
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they think there's some kind of 'edge' in the snow where it is no longer 3-D?
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So they think the north pole exist but not the south pole. I have been debating with them but have had no success in convincing them of any thing.
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So do they deny penguins too?
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Please give an explanation to this image from 121,000 feet (we are told we can see curvature at 35,000 feet) oh and the addition 317K feet image
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOBHWKzpDKBew5j94MHx335hYJz5pgjbeTqVVMG3_VknYDtJwjbCA4TGxpmSKp_PQ?key=ZVZEbEZmQVExVndzRjdvQnVzTXA4YW95VnZSTzVn
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Seals are both poles but the 'greyish' seal is only found in south pole whereas browner seals are north pole.
Elephant seals are literally the south pole descendant of the being the evolved into the normal seal and the walrus. They are the intermediary being who went extinct in the north pole but outlasted them in the south pole.
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